He lived mostly in extreme poverty. Simply eating was an issue, most of the days. He lived as an outcast. To tell the truth, in Ife, he gained the trust or the friendship of no one. People saw Idder as cultivated, eager to read and learn when possible, and mastering writing, which he did for friends. He was strong, beautiful, and long lived. He was mostly indecisive, usually accepting any order from anyone.